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#1 Tycho

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Geschrieben 16. März 2010 - 21:28

Schaut irgendwie alles nicht so gut aus...


edit: da Dumpshock down ist, hier nochmal als Zitat (thx SirDoom):

OK, as you may well have been able to surmise from release schedules, Catalyst Game Labs is in a bit of a financial pickle, and it is somewhat unlikely that they will retain the license to make Shadowrun products. This is not because Shadowrun hasn't been selling enough to cover expenses, but merely because a significant quantity of money is missing outright. Reliable sources put this figure at roughly $850,000. Which sounds like a lot, and it is. It is roughly 40% of Catalyst's entire sales for last year, missing over a three year period. There will of course be lawsuits, and there are already people drawing up legal documents accusing Loren Coleman of having hired people to construct an extension on his house through the company as "freelance writers" and somehow reporting an estimated $100,000 of convention sales as $6,000. Whether that is actually true or not is - of course - a matter for the courts to decide. And decide they presumably will.

But what that means for Catalyst as a company is pretty bad. It costs several dollars to print a book even when the pdfs are finished and ready for publication. A print run of say, 50,000 books (like the print run of Runner Havens) would cost somewhere between $150,000 and $250,000 to print and ship to distributors. And while it eventually sold to distributors at ~$15 a book (a total take home of $750,000), it did so over a period of three years, during which time they were paying interest on loans and paying for storage, and advertisement and so on and so forth. A book like that isn't actually taking home half a million in profits. Which is a bad thing, because it means that even if there was a complete book printed and ready to sell, even a total and rapid sell through would not pull the company out of the financial hole it is in - and the shortfall means that it does not have the cash on hand to start the ball rolling with a new major printing.

The tiny amount of drachmas that are left in the coffers are being used to print up tiny print runs of books that have sold through - another 3,000 books of Runner's Companion for example (~$15,000 to start up, maybe $30-40k towards paying creditors if it sells out). There simply is not the startup cash to bring upcoming books like the SR4 sixth world almanac or corporate guide forward. The writing is there, but the printing costs are not. Beyond that, the freelancers have not been paid, and some of them are withholding copyright until they are - meaning that even a tiny print run of these new materials is simply not possible.

Many SR writers are quitting, have already quit, or have handed in notices contingent on demands which - word on the street - will not be met. And CGL does not even own Shadowrun, it leases the intellectual property from Topps. It seems unlikely that they will be able to make their licensing payment when the contract comes up for renewal - in a couple of months. At that time, CGL will cease being able to print Shadowrun or Battletech materials (they would presumably keep the license to Cthulhutech and Eclipse Phase for at least a little while longer, because those are separate contracts).

So what does this mean for the future of Shadowrun? It probably means that someone else will create a company and start making Shadowrun again. After all, freelancers work for very little, and a well selling book can bring in tens of thousands of dollars in profits. $850,000 of embezzlement is seemingly enough to sink the company (whoever ended up with the credsticks), but I must point out that there was indeed eight hundred and fifty thousand dollars to steal, so Shadowrun is not - as a concept - insoluble. And I also point out that something similar happened to Shadowrun before. Indeed, twice before, as both FanPro and FASA before it collapsed under the weight of people not paying debts and having bags with dollar bill signs vanish mysteriously in the middle of the night. It's somewhat... poetic considering the subject matter of the game itself.

It is entirely probable indeed that when a new company comes to take the licence, many familiar faces will appear in the new company as if they had never left. Certainly back when FanPro collapsed back when I was working for the company, I simply started working for the new company as if nothing had changed. This happened back when FASA collapsed as well - those members of the team that were not extracted by Microsoft simply started turning in writing assignments to the new boss.

And yeah, I regularly go on shadowruns against Catalyst to find out what new releases are in store. Don't you?

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Geschrieben 16. März 2010 - 21:42

Das sieht verdammt scheiße aus! ;)
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Geschrieben 16. März 2010 - 21:46

Sieht wirklich nicht gut aus. aber sehen wir das gute daran. Die wichtigsten bücher sind erschienen so das wir für die nächsten jahre versorgt sind :ph34r:

nee mal ernsthaft das ist doch :blink:
ahh gut mein hund hat die kettensäge gefunden......

das problem an euch unsterblichen Steintypen ist, ihr seit unsterblich und aus Stein....

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Geschrieben 16. März 2010 - 21:46

Habs auch gerade gelesen .... :ph34r:
Wieweit betrifft das jetzt Pegasus ?

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#5 Slyder

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Geschrieben 16. März 2010 - 21:48

Nun ich denke Pegasus hat ne sr lizenz und hat sich hauptsächlich aus spielgrunden mit den amis auseinandergesetzt ?
wenn sie weiter auf die adl setzen sehe ich die weiterarbeit glaube ich nicht als gefährdet ? oder sehe ich das falsch ?
ahh gut mein hund hat die kettensäge gefunden......

das problem an euch unsterblichen Steintypen ist, ihr seit unsterblich und aus Stein....

"Automatische Gewehre ? wer benutzt denn Automatische gewehre?"
"ja verflixt unsportlich, das müssen Belgier sein"

#6 Tycho

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Geschrieben 16. März 2010 - 21:52

Wenn CGL die Deutschsprachigen Sachen an Pegasus lizensiert hat, sind die eben mit der CGL-Lizenz verbunden und dementsprechend dann auch weg.

aber kA wie genau das jetzt von wem lizensiert wurde...

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Geschrieben 16. März 2010 - 21:55

Zum ersten denke Ich da an die Mitarbeiter & Freelancer , die nach Drüben Kontakt hatten
Und als zweites erst denke Ich an die Bücher und mein/unser Hobby
Z.B. wird es in der nächsten Zeit keine Erratta geben,
was ist mit geplanten Übersetzungen die in der Pipeline sind (6te Welt Almanach z.B.) darf/kann Pegasus die Übersetzen & Drucken,wenn die englischen Originale nicht gedruckt werden ?
Ich hab keine Ahnung davon [*Schulterzuck*] :ph34r:
Deshalb frag Ich ja

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#8 Nekekami

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Geschrieben 16. März 2010 - 22:49

Also wenn man der Diskussion auf Dumpshock folgt, sieht es ziemlich schlimm aus.
Die Leute nehmen reihenweise ihren Hut gerade.
Und auf dem offiziellen Battletech Forum haben sie bereits einen Thread von mir zum Thema gelöscht und mich gebeten keinen neuen zu machen.
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Geschrieben 16. März 2010 - 22:58

Und grade wurde der ZWEITE Thread von jemand anderem zum Thema auf dem offiziellen Battletech Board gelöscht
BTW, sieht so aus als wäre dumpshock.com grade down. Oder zumindest ARG langsam.
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Geschrieben 16. März 2010 - 23:20

Naja, nachdem jetzt schon eine Reihe der Mitarbeiter gekündigt haben/kündigen usw. muss ich sagen, dass ich keine Hoffnung mehr habe, dass sich CGL noch fängt. Daher ist jetzt die Frage wie es weitergeht, was mit der dt. Lizenz ist usw. :ph34r:

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Geschrieben 16. März 2010 - 23:22

Jo, das würde mich auch mal interessieren.
Bei dem ganzen Lizenzquatsch blick ich eh nich mehr durch <.<
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#12 Heretic

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Geschrieben 16. März 2010 - 23:29

Das darf doch alles nich wahr sein.
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Geschrieben 16. März 2010 - 23:31

Und nun mal für die Leute, die nicht ins Dumpshock Forum gucken, und weil es gerade down zu sein scheint nicht gucken können:

Was ist da wie wo los?

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Geschrieben 16. März 2010 - 23:33

from Dumpshock:

OK, as you may well have been able to surmise from release schedules, Catalyst Game Labs is in a bit of a financial pickle, and it is somewhat unlikely that they will retain the license to make Shadowrun products. This is not because Shadowrun hasn't been selling enough to cover expenses, but merely because a significant quantity of money is missing outright. Reliable sources put this figure at roughly $850,000. Which sounds like a lot, and it is. It is roughly 40% of Catalyst's entire sales for last year, missing over a three year period. There will of course be lawsuits, and there are already people drawing up legal documents accusing Loren Coleman of having hired people to construct an extension on his house through the company as "freelance writers" and somehow reporting an estimated $100,000 of convention sales as $6,000. Whether that is actually true or not is - of course - a matter for the courts to decide. And decide they presumably will.

But what that means for Catalyst as a company is pretty bad. It costs several dollars to print a book even when the pdfs are finished and ready for publication. A print run of say, 50,000 books (like the print run of Runner Havens) would cost somewhere between $150,000 and $250,000 to print and ship to distributors. And while it eventually sold to distributors at ~$15 a book (a total take home of $750,000), it did so over a period of three years, during which time they were paying interest on loans and paying for storage, and advertisement and so on and so forth. A book like that isn't actually taking home half a million in profits. Which is a bad thing, because it means that even if there was a complete book printed and ready to sell, even a total and rapid sell through would not pull the company out of the financial hole it is in - and the shortfall means that it does not have the cash on hand to start the ball rolling with a new major printing.

The tiny amount of drachmas that are left in the coffers are being used to print up tiny print runs of books that have sold through - another 3,000 books of Runner's Companion for example (~$15,000 to start up, maybe $30-40k towards paying creditors if it sells out). There simply is not the startup cash to bring upcoming books like the SR4 sixth world almanac or corporate guide forward. The writing is there, but the printing costs are not. Beyond that, the freelancers have not been paid, and some of them are withholding copyright until they are - meaning that even a tiny print run of these new materials is simply not possible.

Many SR writers are quitting, have already quit, or have handed in notices contingent on demands which - word on the street - will not be met. And CGL does not even own Shadowrun, it leases the intellectual property from Topps. It seems unlikely that they will be able to make their licensing payment when the contract comes up for renewal - in a couple of months. At that time, CGL will cease being able to print Shadowrun or Battletech materials (they would presumably keep the license to Cthulhutech and Eclipse Phase for at least a little while longer, because those are separate contracts).

So what does this mean for the future of Shadowrun? It probably means that someone else will create a company and start making Shadowrun again. After all, freelancers work for very little, and a well selling book can bring in tens of thousands of dollars in profits. $850,000 of embezzlement is seemingly enough to sink the company (whoever ended up with the credsticks), but I must point out that there was indeed eight hundred and fifty thousand dollars to steal, so Shadowrun is not - as a concept - insoluble. And I also point out that something similar happened to Shadowrun before. Indeed, twice before, as both FanPro and FASA before it collapsed under the weight of people not paying debts and having bags with dollar bill signs vanish mysteriously in the middle of the night. It's somewhat... poetic considering the subject matter of the game itself.

It is entirely probable indeed that when a new company comes to take the licence, many familiar faces will appear in the new company as if they had never left. Certainly back when FanPro collapsed back when I was working for the company, I simply started working for the new company as if nothing had changed. This happened back when FASA collapsed as well - those members of the team that were not extracted by Microsoft simply started turning in writing assignments to the new boss.

And yeah, I regularly go on shadowruns against Catalyst to find out what new releases are in store. Don't you?

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#15 Nekekami

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Geschrieben 16. März 2010 - 23:36

Auf rpg.net hat Bull btw grade bescheid gesagt, dass wir scheinbar dumpshock gecrasht haben . . oops ^^#
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